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PokerStars Game #22059070896: Omaha Pot Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/11/15 10:08:00 ET
STACKS:
SB $2826.10
Hero (BB) $2842.25
UTG $2917.05
CO $777.00
BTN $995.00

PREFLOP: Hero is BB with K♣ K♥ 7♣ 5♥
UTG raises to $30.00, CO calls $20.00, 1 fold, SB calls $25.00, Hero calls $20.00.

FLOP: ($120.00) 5♦ K♠ 9♣
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks.

TURN:($120.00) 4♣
SB bets $118.00, Hero raises to $472.00, UTG calls $472.00, 2 folds.

RIVER: ($1182.00) 5♣
Hero bets $1000.00, UTG raises to $2000.00, Hero raises to $2340.25 and is all-in, UTG calls $340.25.
Final Pot: $5862.50

SHOWDOWN:

• Hero shows K♣ K♥ 7♣ 5♥ (a full house, Kings full of Fives)
• UTG mucks hand [Ac 8c Ts 7d]
• Hero collects $5860.50

and here is the punishment

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PokerStars Game #22059102764: Omaha Pot Limit ($10/$20) - 2008/11/15 10:09:38 ET
STACKS:
Hero (BB) $10163.00
UTG $6286.00
UTG+1 $2272.50
CO $1190.00
BTN $1940.00
SB $5581.50

PREFLOP: Hero is BB with T♠ 8♣ 9♠ Q♥
UTG raises to $40.00, 1 fold, CO calls $40.00, BTN raises to $190.00, SB calls $180.00, Hero calls $170.00, UTG calls $150.00, CO calls $150.00.

FLOP: ($950.00) 8♠ 9♣ 4♦
SB bets $947.00, Hero raises to $3788.00, 3 folds, SB calls $2841.00.

TURN:($8526.00) 7♣
SB bets $1603.50 and is all-in, Hero calls $1603.50.

RIVER: ($11733.00) T♥

Final Pot: $11733.00

SHOWDOWN:

• SB shows A♥ 7♥ T♣ J♦ (a straight, Seven to Jack)
• Hero mucks hand
• SB collects $11730.00

[viralmind]

Didn't we talk about those high-gap rundowns earlier this week? Seriously, that's a tough way to give back 600BB's.

Was SB very aggro? Were you expecting him to fold to your Flop raise?

[MathIsHard]

I am having the exact same problem you are having. I think the problem comes from uncertainty about how we will play future streets.

What I think goes on in our heads is this. "I think he has a draw which I'm a coin flip against but my two pair doesn't look that great on almost all turns (only 2389J are safe cards in our minds) so I will just stick it in now and gamble it up."

Also I think we believe we will make a mistake on 5 and 6 turns because we don't know if that hits his draw as he doesn't always have the lower end. It really comes down to how aggressive someone is and how hard they will push their draws even when they miss but a potential dangerous nut hand comes out such as 5 or 6 but they still fire pot. Then we get scared we will sacrifice the pot sized bet on the flop plus the potential future value of the best hand from calling bluffs so we go FUCK IT SHOVE!

I almost always make mistakes in this spot when I shove and the reason is the player leading pot almost always has us dominated or coin flipping. I think the prudent play is to just call when this deep and PLAY POKER. Its tough, especially when a card like an ace or king rolls off and he still mashes pot, but c'est la vie.

[BLOPP]

Originally Posted by viralmind

Didn't we talk about those high-gap rundowns earlier this week? Seriously, that's a tough way to give back 600BB's.

Was SB very aggro? Were you expecting him to fold to your Flop raise?

Ive 63% equity, case closed. Results oriented thinking doesnt work in the long run